Submitted By: ADS Pleasure Driving Committee
Current Wording:
Article 231 Carriage Dog Class
a: The dog should be standing, lying down or seated on the vehicle or should run
behind, beside or at the axle of the vehicle.
Proposed Wording:
a: The dog should be standing, lying down or seated on the vehicle. or should run
behind, beside or at the axle of the vehicle.
Reason for Change:
The dog is no longer allowed off the vehicle. There is a distinction between a
companion dog and a working dog (Coach dog). When a dog leaves the vehicle in a
ring full of turnouts, it becomes a safety issue.
My name is: Tamara Woodcock
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#5. Proposed change is acceptable
Carol Ilacqua
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RCP #5 Article: PD 231 re; Carriage dogs
I agree with the proposed change.
support Dana Bright ADS # 4436
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> Member Name: Gail Thomas
> ADS # 14350
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> I have read and considered the rule change proposals and would
> like to comment on several of them. As follows:
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> RCP#5
> Carriage Dog Class
> Proposed Wording:
> The dog should be standing, lying down, or seated on the vehicle.
>
> I was very disappointed when I saw this proposed change. I have shown in the carriage dog class many times, with a dog in the carriage. This past year, I participated in the class with a dog running alongside the turnout. We practiced many times before going into the show ring to be sure that our dog would respond appropriately in the arena. She performed beautifully and demonstrated what a carriage dog could be, not just a cute dog in a carriage. The dog and horse worked together as a team and provided a real show for the audience. It does require training as any of our classes should. A well trained dog running alongside a carriage is a sight to behold. Please consider keeping the carriage dog class rule as is and allow trained dogs to run alongside as an option.
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RCP #5 – ok
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Rebecca Burkheart
Member Name: Patricia Anselm ADS# 13621
ReplyDeleteRCP #5 - I am in favor for the purpose of safety and as stated, the difference between companion dog and coach dog is significant.
Tracey Morgan
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RCP # 5 no comment
Rochelle Temple
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RCP 5: Agree
Esther R Wright ( Boots)
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#5 no comment
ADS number 12039070 - Leslie Granger
ReplyDeleteRCP#5 - Agreed
Kevin & Marcia Fetherston - ADS Member # 3797240
ReplyDeleteRCP#5. Article PD231
I agree.
Submitted by Ann McClure ADS #1190
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Member name: Susie Weiss
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RCP #5
Article PD 231
Agree to the change. No matter how well trained a dog it is, it is still an animal that can cause a safety issue. I believe that if you are concentrated on your horse and other turnouts, you don’t have the time or concentration to worry about a dog running on the ground.
Member name: Susie Weiss
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RCP #5
Article PD 231
Agree to the change. No matter how well trained a dog it is, it is still an animal that can cause a safety issue. I believe that if you are concentrated on your horse and other turnouts, you don’t have the time or concentration to worry about a dog running on the ground.
Cheryl Pratt Rivers ADS# 032720 on proposed rule changes for 2021
ReplyDeleteI write to comment on proposed rule changes for 2021. I am a long time driver who has competed in both Pleasure Shows and CDEs from the training to the advanced level and have competed in Europe as well. I have attended several world championships as a spectator as well.
I am embarrassed that I have never paid much attention to rule change proposals before. This year though you have gotten my attention and I am writing with a sense of urgency and a deep disappointment at the direction of a couple of the changes. I appreciate the effort that people put into these changes, and support most of them. I oppose those that I believe will discourage and reduce participation in our sport which I believe is at risk for survival.
RCP#5- Oppose. I think it will be a shame to eliminate carriage dogs off the carriage. I have seen some
amazing performances over the years. I am not aware of any accidents caused by a carriage dog on the
ground. If there are significant issues perhaps an alternative solution could be devised.(Precertification of some sort)
I am writing to comment on RCP # 5 regarding the carriage dog class.
ReplyDeleteMy initial interest in the sport of carriage driving came from watching Janey Randlett and her mini Barry and Dalmatian Sugar compete and win at the Carriage Dog Class at Grand Oaks in 2012 or 2013. As a Dalmatian owner, I was pleased to find a sport that allowed our breed to participate in doing something they were bred to do – coach alongside a carriage.
I oppose rule change # 5 if the intent is to disallow working/coach dogs, from participating in the carriage dog class by running beside or at the axle of the vehicle. The reason for the change provided by the ADS Pleasure Driving Committee indicates “there is a distinction between a companion dog and a working (Coach) dog.” And that “when a dog leaves the vehicle in ring full of turnouts, it becomes a safety issue.” However, the proposed rule change does not indicate and/or clarify if this rule change will apply to working/coaching dogs or not; therefore, I oppose this change.
I agree that the common companion dog should not be allowed to run alongside the carriage. However, a true working coach dog like the Dalmatian is trained to stay with the carriage and the horse, not run around a ring full of turnouts disobediently. There is nothing more beautiful in a carriage dog pleasure class than a properly trained and working coach dog. If the concern is that the Coach dog is not properly trained and, therefore, could create a safety issue to the other class participants, then, in the specific case of Dalmatians, the ADS can make it a requirement that the Dalmatian has achieved the Dalmatian Club of America Road Dog title and must present proof of same (title certificate from DCA) with class entry forms. In order to achieve the Road Dog title, a Dalmatian must participate in a number of obedience exercises while the handler is either on horseback or in a horse-drawn carriage with the dog working off leash. The Road Dog title is one of the most prestigious titles a Dalmatian can earn and it demonstrates the dog is truly working at the job it was bred for. For more information please visit https://www.thedca.org/roadtrial.html. I recognize that there are other breeds that coach but I am not familiar with whether or not those breed clubs offer any type of testing for coaching ability. But in the case of other breeds (including Dalmatians), an American Kennel Club obedience title certificate could be required to prove the dog is properly trained in obedience in order to compete alongside the carriage. If the safety concern for the participants is because some horses spook when dogs are around them, then perhaps a better compromise would be to have 2 divisions of the carriage dog class – 1) a companion division where the dogs are judged on cuteness of turnout and 2) a coaching division where the dogs are judged on skill and ability to work with the horse and carriage. I think it is unfair and one sided to allow the companion dogs to continue to participate while penalizing true coaching dogs and their handlers who spend a lot of time and effort to train their dogs for this sport.
Should the ADS decide it does not want to mandate obedience titles for coaching dogs showing in the carriage dog class, then I have another suggestion on how to handle this class. Start by splitting it into 2 divisions as suggested above - one for companion dogs and one for working coaching dogs. For those participating in the coaching division, have a precursor to the class earlier in the day, similar to the jog of horses at championships, where the handler and dog must perform a series of off leash obedience moves on a pass/fail basis to be eligible to show in the carriage dog coaching class division. Dogs that pass the obedience exercises would be accepted for competition just like horses are accepted at the jog. This would provide additional entertainment for the spectators as well as prove the ability of the working coaching dog.
Janet Crumpton
ADS Member No. 12036410
ADS # 2181656
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As much as this is moving away from the tradition of carriage dogs, it does make sense from a increased safety perspective. I support this change.
Price Story member 9181
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NAME: ERICA ROBB
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RCP# 5: Oppose. The Carriage Dog class has devolved into a tiny class of one or two entries with “cute” dogs vs “carriage” dogs. There is indeed a difference between a companion dog and a working dog and each are appropriate. I am not aware of incidents involving working dogs alongside, maybe we can just leave this rule alone (if it ain’t broke…). Or the rule could be “if the dog is on the carriage, it must stay on the carriage.” Or require advance special provision for a dog alongside, similar to asking if a navigator can go twice around. Let’s not curtail enthusiasm any more than necessary.
Kasey Ashley, my ADS member number 11536.
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I agree
RCP#5
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Support
Sterling Graburn
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RCP #5
Disagree. While an poorly trained dog could be a safety issue, the tradition has always been for certain turnouts to have a dog beside or below the carriage. As PD is a traditional sport, I hate to see how quickly we cast aside traditions. As we make exceptions to be more inclusive, this rcp seems to be exclusive. Yes, the judge might have to excuse an unruly dog, just as they might have to excuse an unruly horse. Keep the tradition.