Monday, July 20, 2020

RCP#1 Article: GR 2.7 - Definition of Terms

RCP#1 Article: GR 2.7 
Submitted by: Hardy Zantke

Current wording: 
GR 2.7 Junior and adult competition participants, e.g., anyone who rides on a vehicle at any time at an event, are defined as follows: 
a. The “competition age” of an individual will be the age reached during the current calendar year. 
b. “Junior A” – competition age: 10 and below. Junior A drivers must be accompanied by a knowledgeable adult horseman at all times. 
c. “Junior B” – competition age 11, 12, 13. Junior B drivers must be accompanied by a knowledgeable adult horseman at all times. 
EXCEPTION: Junior “B” drivers competing with a single Very Small Equine (VSE) turnout in a securely enclosed arena need not be accompanied by a knowledgeable adult horseman unless required by the organizer. 
d. “Junior C” – competition age 14, 15, 16, 17, 18. Junior C drivers competing with a single horse/pony turnout at their discretion need not carry a groom/passenger unless required by the competition. 
e. “Junior” – Unless otherwise defined: Competition age under 19. 
f. “Adult” – Competition age 19 and over. 

Suggested wording: 
Add new: g: The knowledgeable adult horseman, as requested under item b & c above, nay be the groom, when one is required, or may be an additional person - in which case that person is subject to similar requirements and penalties as a groom. 

Reason for change: 
In Combined Driving Events no additional person is normally allowed on the carriage besides the driver and the proper number of groom(s). At times Junior drivers do want to have a knowledgeable adult horse person with them on the carriage next to them, but also want to have a groom on the back step, both in the interest of safety. The LOC agreed and issued a directive accordingly in their winter edition of their newsletter to all licensed officials. This, however, not yet supported by our rules. Note: The last sentence in this proposal is important to deal with normal groom down penalties etc, which then need to be applied to all, the groom(s) as well as the knowledgeable adult horse persons. Otherwise the groom might stay on the carriage and have the knowledgeable adult horse person step down and fix that trace down for example.

21 comments:

  1. My name is: Tamara Woodcock
    My member number is: 017580

    Comments for
    #1. Proposed change is acceptable

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  2. Carol Ilacqua
    ADS# 12037560
    RCP#1 Article: GR 2.7 re: Grooms/Knowledgeable Adult

    I agree with the proposed change.

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  3. Support Would be valuable for disabled drivers also
    Dana Bright
    ADS # 4436

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  4. Janet Oliver
    ADS Member # 9355930

    RCP #1
    I don't think that a 3rd person on a carriage is safe. Most carriages are not built to accommodate a 3rd person.

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  5. RCP#1 ok as proposed
    Carol Hunter

    ADS #12335

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  6. This is Hilary Miskoe, ADS #9717

    I would like to comment on the following rule change proposals:

    RCP#1 - no

    I do not feel this is a good idea - three people on a carriage can be too many in a difficult situation (unbalanced) and if the idea is that a junior driver needs assistance, then don't complicate the situation by having too many people on the carriage. The person who can best offer assistance should be the one with the Jr. driver. If they need TWO people, should they be driving?

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  7. RCP#1 – ok

    Burkheart, Rebecca

    ADS member number 20191947

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  8. Member Name: Patricia Anselm ADS# 13621
    RCP #1 – I am in favor as this clarification will help ensure an honest and level playing field.

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  9. Tracey Morgan

    ADS # 13258

    RCP #1 agree

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  10. Rochelle Temple
    ADS Life Member #5096

    RCP 1: Agree

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  11. Esther R Wright ( Boots)
    Life member #5200

    #1 yes

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  12. Kevin & Marcia Fetherston - ADS Member # 3797240

    RCP#1 Article: GR 2.7
    I agree

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  13. ADS Member - Gale Pellegrino
    ADS # 11029

    RCP#1 - No

    Three people on a carriage should not be passed. The best person to assist the junior driver should accompany them in the carriage ONLY. If the parent is not trained in order to do so, then they should not be on the carriage to assist.

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  14. Submitted by Ann McClure ADS #1190
    Article RCP #1- Keyword is knowledgeable. Agree

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  15. Cheryl Pratt Rivers ADS# 032720 on proposed rule changes for 2021
    I write to comment on proposed rule changes for 2021. I am a long time driver who has competed in both Pleasure Shows and CDEs from the training to the advanced level and have competed in Europe as well. I have attended several world championships as a spectator as well.
    I am embarrassed that I have never paid much attention to rule change proposals before. This year though you have gotten my attention and I am writing with a sense of urgency and a deep disappointment at the direction of a couple of the changes. I appreciate the effort that people put into these changes, and support most of them. I oppose those that I believe will discourage and reduce participation in our sport which I believe is at risk for survival.
    RCP#1- Support

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  16. Name: Tracey Turner
    ADS # 2181656
    RCP #1
    I think this rule makes good sense and support it.

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  17. Price Story member 9181

    1. ok

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  18. NAME: ERICA ROBB
    ADS#: 6951990

    RCP# 1: Agree. Sounds like this option would allow a junior driver to have knowledgeable support next to them (on the boxseat) and also have a groom for vehicle balance (on the backstep). If this is already an accommodation, as Hardy indicates, then it should be codified in the rules.

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  19. Kasey Ashley, my ADS member number 11536.
    RCP No. 1.
    I agree

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  20. RCP#1
    Tasha Wilkie ADS #8572
    Support

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  21. Sterling Graburn
    ADS #1670
    RCP # 1
    Agree

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